Joe, thank you so much for the entertainment. You demonstrate that Donald Trump, the accomplished builder that he is, has built a rent free zone in your head along with all the other low IQ Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness sufferers. It’s like the politically incorrect joke of “hiring the handicapped because you’re fun to watch”. Anyone who quotes the Worthless comPost demonstrates that they are at the bottom of the IQ curve.
Joe, do you even know the definition of “traitor”? How exactly is President Trump a traitor? How aren’t the Biden and Clinton crime families not traitors? And I’m sorry that this is all so complicated for your limited intellect but tell me which State Senate hearings did you watch with dozens of witnesses and hundreds of sworn affidavits of 2020 election fraud?
Joe, the intelligent part of the country doesn’t want to be like California or New York. That is why people who make products, services and business, not those living off of the government teat, are en masse moving out of blue states to red states. Check the UHaul rates.
The real question is how will Cackling Kamala do in a rigged debate on partisan ABC on Sept. 10 when everyone on the top half of the IQ curve knows that Harris will be feed the questions in advance (like Donna Brazile did for Hillary Clinton in 2016)? There is word that Hollywood actor coaches are already prepping Harris. The second real question is how many voters will actually believe the act? Well, it’s known that that TV is targeted to a 4th grade audience. But the Vegas odds are on Trump. Read ‘em and weep!
The MAGA head crowd, like the Orange Menace himself, seems to have this odd obsession with IQ, resorting to hurling insults about their opponents’ intelligence on a regular basis. It provides an interesting insight into the MAGA movement’s strength and its weakness: the profound insecurity of its adherents, starting with you, deplorable one. Intelligent people don’t insult others on a regular basis - it is, among other things, a guarantee you will not convince anyone of anything. If anything, the left, in particular, has gotten to the point where it is suffering from too much intelligence, manifested in a tendency to over-intellectualize a lot of things. The need of the moment, and a main point of this community, is to leaven that intelligence with a bit of wisdom. As for the right wing, the polls suggest that an increasing number of citizens recognize Trumpism for the dead end it has become.
Curtis, you have already demonstrated that you are cognitively challenged. I’ve asked you over a dozen questions and you can’t answer any of them. I’ve answered all of your questions. And if you are so intelligent then why do you continue to lie? The US populist movement known as MAGA is on the rise. And record numbers of blacks, Hispanics and former democrats like RFKJr are joining the growing movement.
Joe Klein deserves to be insulted. He proclaims that he is a journalist but he merely regurgitates the propaganda of the corporate media with lies of commission and omission and continues to betray his professional oath to the American people. Look at how many lies he vomited in the first paragraph of this piece; “Donald Trump is a traitor…he tried to overthrow the government of the United States…”fake” electors scheme, a criminal effort to steal the election…Trump…committing the very worst crime in the history of the American presidency...tax cuts for the wealthy, cosying[sic] up to dictators, separating parents and children at the border…Trump is a casual, careless traitor; there was never any evidence of election fraud….desecrating Arlington Cemetery…Donald Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. He tried to end our democracy. He is a traitor.” These are all lies and I don’t like to be lied to so I challenge people who lie.
So Curtis, try to keep up, here is the answer to your question. It comes down to the connection between “lying” and “the lack of intelligence”. It is my observation that most people who believe the progressive left lies and the TDS lies lack the intelligence for critical inductive thinking and they just deductively believe whatever they are told. Higher education has regressed to this woke deductive education which is worthless for students who want to contribute to society. It is also my observation that some people know that the progressive left and Trump hating propaganda are lies but for whatever reason they repeat them. This second group also aren’t so bright, or in your words they lack “wisdom”, because they actually believe that intelligent people will believe their lies.
Finally, your point that “the left…has gotten to the point where it is suffering from too much intelligence, manifested in a tendency to over-intellectualize a lot of things” is laughable. The left confuses education with intelligence and knowledge. The democrats like to brag that they are the party of the college educated but they fail to recognize that two thirds of college degrees and a greater percentage of advanced degrees are in liberal arts and are not well versed in STEM. When I was in engineering school we were told that we should take some liberal arts courses to round out our education. What a laugher; the most significant thing that I learned is that liberal arts professors are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever encountered. I’ve never met a liberal arts Professor who is intelligent and hardworking enough to be a farmer. That deficiency appears to have only gotten worse since my graduation.
Joe, what makes you think that I care that you aren't intelligent enough to uderstand my response? I can't dumb it down for you. If you have anything substanitive to respond to my comments then I will respond accordingly.
And Joe, with all of your lies you are a disgrace to the profession that you propose to champion.
Joe I could not vote for Trump out of principle. That said I find your dismissive rhetoric against the 75+ million Americans who have and might again unhelpful at best and counterproductive at worst. You write that the “rural voters are taking a stand against democracy”. How can a citizen casting a vote in a Constitutional Republic of 50 States and 3 independent yet interdependent branches of government be anti-democratic? Unless you have zero faith in the wisdom of The Founding Fathers, The Constitution and your fellow Citizens then the very act of voting is by definition democratic.
Clive--I have more faith in John Adams and Alexander Hamilton than in Thomas Jefferson. We hope the people will be wise; there is only intermittent evidence that they are.
Thanks for your response. It helps your subscribers understand your thinking. You didn’t answer my direct question - how can a citizen casting a vote be undemocratic?
Your answer assumes that all the checks and balances offered by The Constitution of The Republic and the 50 States would fail. That the Congress, Senate and SCOTUS would have enabled it. That’s a huge assumption!
It’s also one which nearly half of American voters don’t share.
It is also an ironic perspective given that the DNC also attempted to bypass their democratic process when appointing VP Harris as their nominated candidate! They succeeded!
It almost did fail in 2020. Where were you? And the fact that nearly half of Americans don't seem to care demonstrates what a fragile thing democracy is. For your information, the Democratic Party followed precise rules--a process commenced by 50 state parties--for the selection of a new candidate if the presumptive nominee withdraws. Elaine Kamarck of Brookings will publish a paper about the process in the next week or so.
Joe, I understand why you are so animated by this. I am an outsider. I have lived and worked in the U.S. as a tax payer but one with no voting rights (another irony). I have also served as an elected representative in England. The one super power I wish politicians, journalists and commentators had was to view their opinions through more than one lens. I call it using binoculars rather than telescopes. You state that if the illegal violent mob had succeeded then The Republic as set out under the Constitution would have fallen and a dictator would have taken over. Having been born and raised in countries where coups were regular occurrences, I have more faith in that Republic than you do. So with respect, you are stating an opinion not a fact.
Clearly nearly half your fellow citizens don’t agree with your opinion.
You may think them deluded and in denial. Meanwhile they see you supporting a ticket that supports the idea that a woman can have a penis and state funds should be given to children and teenagers wanting to undergo gender reassignment even against the wishes of their parents.
I raise this not to be inflammatory or contrarian, only to point out that projecting opinions as facts is generally counterproductive and divisive which, to an outsider at least, seems to be the mantra of both sides of the political elite.
Put another way, do you think the OpEd you wrote today would have suffered if you omitted the accusation that “rural people are taking a stand against democracy”?
The mob wasn't the problem. The fake electors scheme--which would have succeeded if Mike Pence were less of a person--was the problem. And yes, our system is very much tilted toward rural voters...and yes, following Sean Trende's point, they are voting more and more in favor of Trump--and Trump has made it clear that neither democracy nor our Constitution matter to him. As for gender change operations, I'm with you...but we can hash them out when Trump is removed from the picture and our democracy secured.
Josh Shapiro as AG of PA stated that, at least in his State, the ‘fake elector’ scheme was “not chargeable”. I find it hard to believe that even if some of the fake certificates were submitted, they would have withstood a legal challenge to their authenticity! So I cannot accept The Constitution or The Republic is as fragile as you suggest.
Nor do I accept the premise that rural voters are anti-democratic because they vote for a POTUS you and I don’t think is appropriate.
Take a look at the results in Germany if you want to see what happens when vast swathes of often rural voters believe their interests and way of life are being condemned, ignored and disrespected by ‘metropolitan’ elites.
Dividing ‘rural’ and ‘metropolitan’ voters seems to me to be just another pernicious example of identity politics!
Joe, I’m sorry that this is all so complicated for your limited intellect but tell me which State Senate hearings did you watch with dozens of witnesses and hundreds of sworn affidavits of 2020 election fraud?
Joe, I thought your reply to W. Bloom…’old and slow. What does that mean?’ was you asking what TDS stands for. I merely tried to clarify with what I believed the acronym stood for. Not as an endorsement. 2020 is over. Trump is nuts. Kamala and her lustful for bigger government and more power left wing friends is dangerous. Now what? Appreciate you and all you do, Joe. With respect.
Brilliant analysis. Everything written was spot on except to dismiss the rural voter. I know many fine people who will vote for Trump for various reasons. But I never voted for and never will vote for Trump. The last time I voted for a Democrat was in 1976. But I will vote for Harris this time out of necessity.
Joe, again, journalism fails us when it comes to the 'Warp Speed" covid 'response'. It was, I believe, nothing more than yelling 'Charge up the Hill' then running the other way. There was absolutely no coordination with the states, even maga states. I've heard snippets of money going to T***p's cronies who had nothing to do with drug production, most likely financial supporters. I'd like to see an in-depth analysis of this fiasco. T***p dragged us into covid with the most deaths of any country. Biden pulled us out. And, Joe, calling him senile is disrespectful and ... hmmmm ... kinda maga. I expect more from you.
Joe - what are your rules for allowing comments. There is one long comment that is completely content free but on the other hand is replete with the drivel that is the Trumpy at his worst. When
That long comment was posted by someone who goes by a handle who's initials are DT which coincidentally(?) are the same as one Donald Trump. DT stands for Delirium Tremens.
I’m glad Joe wrote this. I have thought that the entire media was in the grips of amnesia about who Harris’s opponent really is. Joe,has been there also but this is a very welcome balancing . It’s certainly ok to worry a lot about what Harris thinks about transgender issues or even fracking but it is obligatory that who ever is writing also remember that Trump is a felon/rapist/tratior.
As to the debates, joes right. The real,danger is the moderators. There has never yet been a debate with Trump involved in which the moderators had the faintest clue about how to deal with him. Bash was just as awful in the last debate, she was spared the critical she deserved because if Biden’s disaster. But maybe it’s better if he just runs wild
Joe, thank you so much for the entertainment. You demonstrate that Donald Trump, the accomplished builder that he is, has built a rent free zone in your head along with all the other low IQ Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness sufferers. It’s like the politically incorrect joke of “hiring the handicapped because you’re fun to watch”. Anyone who quotes the Worthless comPost demonstrates that they are at the bottom of the IQ curve.
Joe, do you even know the definition of “traitor”? How exactly is President Trump a traitor? How aren’t the Biden and Clinton crime families not traitors? And I’m sorry that this is all so complicated for your limited intellect but tell me which State Senate hearings did you watch with dozens of witnesses and hundreds of sworn affidavits of 2020 election fraud?
Joe, the intelligent part of the country doesn’t want to be like California or New York. That is why people who make products, services and business, not those living off of the government teat, are en masse moving out of blue states to red states. Check the UHaul rates.
The real question is how will Cackling Kamala do in a rigged debate on partisan ABC on Sept. 10 when everyone on the top half of the IQ curve knows that Harris will be feed the questions in advance (like Donna Brazile did for Hillary Clinton in 2016)? There is word that Hollywood actor coaches are already prepping Harris. The second real question is how many voters will actually believe the act? Well, it’s known that that TV is targeted to a 4th grade audience. But the Vegas odds are on Trump. Read ‘em and weep!
The MAGA head crowd, like the Orange Menace himself, seems to have this odd obsession with IQ, resorting to hurling insults about their opponents’ intelligence on a regular basis. It provides an interesting insight into the MAGA movement’s strength and its weakness: the profound insecurity of its adherents, starting with you, deplorable one. Intelligent people don’t insult others on a regular basis - it is, among other things, a guarantee you will not convince anyone of anything. If anything, the left, in particular, has gotten to the point where it is suffering from too much intelligence, manifested in a tendency to over-intellectualize a lot of things. The need of the moment, and a main point of this community, is to leaven that intelligence with a bit of wisdom. As for the right wing, the polls suggest that an increasing number of citizens recognize Trumpism for the dead end it has become.
Curtis, you have already demonstrated that you are cognitively challenged. I’ve asked you over a dozen questions and you can’t answer any of them. I’ve answered all of your questions. And if you are so intelligent then why do you continue to lie? The US populist movement known as MAGA is on the rise. And record numbers of blacks, Hispanics and former democrats like RFKJr are joining the growing movement.
Joe Klein deserves to be insulted. He proclaims that he is a journalist but he merely regurgitates the propaganda of the corporate media with lies of commission and omission and continues to betray his professional oath to the American people. Look at how many lies he vomited in the first paragraph of this piece; “Donald Trump is a traitor…he tried to overthrow the government of the United States…”fake” electors scheme, a criminal effort to steal the election…Trump…committing the very worst crime in the history of the American presidency...tax cuts for the wealthy, cosying[sic] up to dictators, separating parents and children at the border…Trump is a casual, careless traitor; there was never any evidence of election fraud….desecrating Arlington Cemetery…Donald Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. He tried to end our democracy. He is a traitor.” These are all lies and I don’t like to be lied to so I challenge people who lie.
So Curtis, try to keep up, here is the answer to your question. It comes down to the connection between “lying” and “the lack of intelligence”. It is my observation that most people who believe the progressive left lies and the TDS lies lack the intelligence for critical inductive thinking and they just deductively believe whatever they are told. Higher education has regressed to this woke deductive education which is worthless for students who want to contribute to society. It is also my observation that some people know that the progressive left and Trump hating propaganda are lies but for whatever reason they repeat them. This second group also aren’t so bright, or in your words they lack “wisdom”, because they actually believe that intelligent people will believe their lies.
Finally, your point that “the left…has gotten to the point where it is suffering from too much intelligence, manifested in a tendency to over-intellectualize a lot of things” is laughable. The left confuses education with intelligence and knowledge. The democrats like to brag that they are the party of the college educated but they fail to recognize that two thirds of college degrees and a greater percentage of advanced degrees are in liberal arts and are not well versed in STEM. When I was in engineering school we were told that we should take some liberal arts courses to round out our education. What a laugher; the most significant thing that I learned is that liberal arts professors are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever encountered. I’ve never met a liberal arts Professor who is intelligent and hardworking enough to be a farmer. That deficiency appears to have only gotten worse since my graduation.
I think you are pressing this too far. Please be a bit more concise and, if you can, rational in future comments.
Joe, what makes you think that I care that you aren't intelligent enough to uderstand my response? I can't dumb it down for you. If you have anything substanitive to respond to my comments then I will respond accordingly.
And Joe, with all of your lies you are a disgrace to the profession that you propose to champion.
Joe I could not vote for Trump out of principle. That said I find your dismissive rhetoric against the 75+ million Americans who have and might again unhelpful at best and counterproductive at worst. You write that the “rural voters are taking a stand against democracy”. How can a citizen casting a vote in a Constitutional Republic of 50 States and 3 independent yet interdependent branches of government be anti-democratic? Unless you have zero faith in the wisdom of The Founding Fathers, The Constitution and your fellow Citizens then the very act of voting is by definition democratic.
Clive--I have more faith in John Adams and Alexander Hamilton than in Thomas Jefferson. We hope the people will be wise; there is only intermittent evidence that they are.
Thanks for your response. It helps your subscribers understand your thinking. You didn’t answer my direct question - how can a citizen casting a vote be undemocratic?
They are taking a stand against democracy by supporting a man who tried to overthrow our democracy. Simple as that.
Your answer assumes that all the checks and balances offered by The Constitution of The Republic and the 50 States would fail. That the Congress, Senate and SCOTUS would have enabled it. That’s a huge assumption!
It’s also one which nearly half of American voters don’t share.
It is also an ironic perspective given that the DNC also attempted to bypass their democratic process when appointing VP Harris as their nominated candidate! They succeeded!
It almost did fail in 2020. Where were you? And the fact that nearly half of Americans don't seem to care demonstrates what a fragile thing democracy is. For your information, the Democratic Party followed precise rules--a process commenced by 50 state parties--for the selection of a new candidate if the presumptive nominee withdraws. Elaine Kamarck of Brookings will publish a paper about the process in the next week or so.
Joe, I understand why you are so animated by this. I am an outsider. I have lived and worked in the U.S. as a tax payer but one with no voting rights (another irony). I have also served as an elected representative in England. The one super power I wish politicians, journalists and commentators had was to view their opinions through more than one lens. I call it using binoculars rather than telescopes. You state that if the illegal violent mob had succeeded then The Republic as set out under the Constitution would have fallen and a dictator would have taken over. Having been born and raised in countries where coups were regular occurrences, I have more faith in that Republic than you do. So with respect, you are stating an opinion not a fact.
Clearly nearly half your fellow citizens don’t agree with your opinion.
You may think them deluded and in denial. Meanwhile they see you supporting a ticket that supports the idea that a woman can have a penis and state funds should be given to children and teenagers wanting to undergo gender reassignment even against the wishes of their parents.
I raise this not to be inflammatory or contrarian, only to point out that projecting opinions as facts is generally counterproductive and divisive which, to an outsider at least, seems to be the mantra of both sides of the political elite.
Put another way, do you think the OpEd you wrote today would have suffered if you omitted the accusation that “rural people are taking a stand against democracy”?
The mob wasn't the problem. The fake electors scheme--which would have succeeded if Mike Pence were less of a person--was the problem. And yes, our system is very much tilted toward rural voters...and yes, following Sean Trende's point, they are voting more and more in favor of Trump--and Trump has made it clear that neither democracy nor our Constitution matter to him. As for gender change operations, I'm with you...but we can hash them out when Trump is removed from the picture and our democracy secured.
Josh Shapiro as AG of PA stated that, at least in his State, the ‘fake elector’ scheme was “not chargeable”. I find it hard to believe that even if some of the fake certificates were submitted, they would have withstood a legal challenge to their authenticity! So I cannot accept The Constitution or The Republic is as fragile as you suggest.
Nor do I accept the premise that rural voters are anti-democratic because they vote for a POTUS you and I don’t think is appropriate.
Take a look at the results in Germany if you want to see what happens when vast swathes of often rural voters believe their interests and way of life are being condemned, ignored and disrespected by ‘metropolitan’ elites.
Dividing ‘rural’ and ‘metropolitan’ voters seems to me to be just another pernicious example of identity politics!
Thanks for engaging…
TDS
I'm old and slow. What does that mean?
TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome
Trying to overthrow the honest and accurate results of the 2020 election is, flat out, irrational. TDS is the belief that the charlatan won.
Joe, I’m sorry that this is all so complicated for your limited intellect but tell me which State Senate hearings did you watch with dozens of witnesses and hundreds of sworn affidavits of 2020 election fraud?
Joe, I thought your reply to W. Bloom…’old and slow. What does that mean?’ was you asking what TDS stands for. I merely tried to clarify with what I believed the acronym stood for. Not as an endorsement. 2020 is over. Trump is nuts. Kamala and her lustful for bigger government and more power left wing friends is dangerous. Now what? Appreciate you and all you do, Joe. With respect.
Brilliant analysis. Everything written was spot on except to dismiss the rural voter. I know many fine people who will vote for Trump for various reasons. But I never voted for and never will vote for Trump. The last time I voted for a Democrat was in 1976. But I will vote for Harris this time out of necessity.
One of your best on this election. Why I read you every time you post.
You too.
Joe, again, journalism fails us when it comes to the 'Warp Speed" covid 'response'. It was, I believe, nothing more than yelling 'Charge up the Hill' then running the other way. There was absolutely no coordination with the states, even maga states. I've heard snippets of money going to T***p's cronies who had nothing to do with drug production, most likely financial supporters. I'd like to see an in-depth analysis of this fiasco. T***p dragged us into covid with the most deaths of any country. Biden pulled us out. And, Joe, calling him senile is disrespectful and ... hmmmm ... kinda maga. I expect more from you.
Joe - what are your rules for allowing comments. There is one long comment that is completely content free but on the other hand is replete with the drivel that is the Trumpy at his worst. When
Do you kick people off
That long comment was posted by someone who goes by a handle who's initials are DT which coincidentally(?) are the same as one Donald Trump. DT stands for Delirium Tremens.
I’m glad Joe wrote this. I have thought that the entire media was in the grips of amnesia about who Harris’s opponent really is. Joe,has been there also but this is a very welcome balancing . It’s certainly ok to worry a lot about what Harris thinks about transgender issues or even fracking but it is obligatory that who ever is writing also remember that Trump is a felon/rapist/tratior.
As to the debates, joes right. The real,danger is the moderators. There has never yet been a debate with Trump involved in which the moderators had the faintest clue about how to deal with him. Bash was just as awful in the last debate, she was spared the critical she deserved because if Biden’s disaster. But maybe it’s better if he just runs wild
The higher the youth (18 to 26) vote the better for Harris Walz