So JD Vance, who has been in the Senate for a cup of coffee, is considered the “professional politician” over a guy who did years in Congress and is the two term Govenor? To quote Kissinger, “under what theory”? As a conservative, Vance is not my cup of tea but that was as solid a debate performance as I can remember. Yes, Vance won by simply and constantly reciting the poor Biden record as well as that Harris is still in office and is the embodiment of this hapless administration.
Ps CBS was as biased and arrogant as one could expect, particularly the wayward, smug and erroneous M Brennan “fact check.” But a leopard can’t lose its spots so I blame Trump for agreeing to this crazy inside the beltway debate system.
Coach Walz is, since 2019, Governor of a large Midwestern state and formerly sat in Congress for 12 years, which is a much longer career as a politician than his opponent, who just entered the Senate less than three years ago. And yet you characterize him as an "aw shucks" amateur who got bested.
Further evidence, if any was needed, that The Democrats have anointed another dreadful candidate. First they tried to pretend President Biden was competent. Then they force fed a lightweight onto Te American electorate. Her (was it really her) choice of VP is further evidence VP Harris doesn’t have the leadership skills or competence to be the current leader of the free world.
If they really believe Trump is the ‘anti-Christ’ or an ‘existential threat to democracy’, how could they do this? (Disclaimer: I wouldn’t vote for Trump under any circumstance. I also have more faith than most that The Republic is bigger and capable of handling a second President Trump term.
They are playing a dangerous and irresponsible game. Just look at the recent results first in Germany and now in Austria.
It tells us all we need to know about how arrogant and out of touch the metropolitan political elite are.
Tampon Tim demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an idiot. He demonstrated a real world example of the Peter principal of an actor without substance who schmoozes his way up the ladder until they plateau at their level of incompetence and then stay there. Walz is a terrible governor; he did nothing to stop the devastating 2020 riots that resulted in 35 deaths, thousands of injured and an estimated $2billion in property damage all over the death of a felon who had once put a gun to the abdomen of a pregnant woman, was in the process of committing a crime and died from a self-induced fentanyl overdose, not from Police brutality. Walz let the Black Lives Matter Marxists and the paid ANTIFA riot the streets and destroy the private property of hard working citizens. I read recently that a building Minneapolis that sold before the 2020 riots for $60million sold for only $7 million in 2024 because of the unfettered lawlessness allowed by Walz. Given Walz’s disastrous debate performance who could possibly consider this low testosterone Marxist wimp to be Presidential material.
On the other hand J.D. Vance demonstrated that he is by far the most competent champion of the America first movement and the best candidate for President Trump to pass the torch in 2028. Joe, like all of the leftist pendants, throws insults at Vance but doesn’t provide any facts to backup their accusations. It is entertaining that fact free pundits like Joe desperately try to demonize Trump and Vance and the only ammunition they have is trying to label as being “mean” their statements that citizens of Springfield report that the illegal immigrant Hattians are eating resident’s pets and the ducks and geese in public parks. Oh, grow up. Meanwhile, Joe along with the rest of the Pravda media ignore the widespread increases in violent crime, rape, drug trafficking and property damage caused by uncontrolled illegal immigration.
It was entertaining that during the debate when Vance mansplained to the dumb, lying CBS bimbo moderators that the Harris/Biden administration illegally misused the CBP1 asylum/pardon law to illegally flood the country with uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking, immigrants from third world countries who will not assimilate into American culture but will become wards of the democrats’ big nanny government and block vote democrat. It was entertaining to watch the dumb lying bimbos on MSNBC complain that Vance was mansplaining against the lies of the CBS moderators. Joe continues to demonstrate his ignorance because the tax dollars to fund the Springfield schools that are burdened with adding non-English speaking curriculum at the expense of reducing advanced scholar curriculum for the children of Springfield citizens come from property taxes which are an additional burden on existing citizens and are not subsidized by illegal immigrants. Waiting times in Springfield Hospital Emergency Rooms have become painfully long because the illegal immigrants go there for all of their health care needs which is all at the expense of the Springfield natives. Joe continues to demonstrate that he is just a loser who regurgitates the vomit of the consortium of the DC swamp, the lying media and the grifting democrat politicians.
Joe is also ignorant about economics. The US has implemented tariffs since our founding to protect American industry and improve the wages of American workers. Even the failed Biden/Harris administration had kept in place the tariffs that President Trump implemented. Joe, I’m sorry that economics is beyond your mental capacity to understand.
And of course the corrupt media moderators would bring up the “big lie” that there WASN’T widespread election fraud in 2020 and that basement Biden isn’t an illegitimate President. Vance had the perfect response that election irregularities were protested peacefully and patriotically on January 6 and the corrupt government set up a false flag operation to entrap goofballs and grandmas who were let into and wandered around the Capital taking selfies and that the deep state has weaponized the corrupt DOJ/FBI to persecute political opponents. They have destroyed the lives of patriotic Americans in order to defend their grift and corruption and extortion of US taxpayers and to dissuade voters from electing an outsider to office. They are the scum of the earth and no lower scum has crossed the American political landscape. They, not Trump/Vance and the MAGA movement, are the treat to democracy. The good news is American first patriots are going to shove Trump/Vance down their ignorant, lying, pompous throats to the point that we see the huge bulge in their throat signifying that they are gagging. Say ahh!
Joe, you confuse prrformance with proficiency. I thought Walz was masterful, if not s little shaky. Vance was locked and loaded for a knife fight, Walz kept the tenor of the debate at such a congenial level that he proved he is the bigger and better person. Vance refused to actually answer any questions, was chided by the moderators about that, Walz answered them all, and refused to rise to Vance's bait. Walz demonstrated a love of country and its people, Vance is the con-carpetbagger. Thanks, coach.
Sorry Joe you’ve missed this one. I thought both showed they were “competent”. The question is competent to do what. Vance is competent to implement an anti-democratic (small d)agenda and competently run it. Waltz is competent to continue a democratic (small d) agenda and competently run it. In other words be a competent President of a democracy. I think that’s the correct analysis of the debate.
Vance was indeed slick and smarmy. And anybody who reads the papers could tell when he was lying or dodging, which was often. Vance's refusal to say whether Trump lost the election was rather obvious.
Can't confirm Joe, and I'm a registered Republican. Yes, Walz got stronger in the back half of the debate, when some viewers had likely tuned out, but I thought he did a better job of stating Democratic arguments than Harris has, in her debate or other contexts. Also yes, Vance did a more presentable job of presenting his side's arguments than Trump has ever succeeded, or even tried, to do. Talk about low bars! Vance succeeded in not looking or sounding like Mephistopheles and Walz succeeded in not looking or sounding like he's actually to the left of Harris, which he may well be. You wanted a knockout. A draw or a close fight on points was not a result you were going to be able to accept.
I completely agree with Joe. The debate was a disaster - not as bad as Biden’s but bad enough to make Trump a favorite now. I never thought Walz would do well but I also never thought it would be,this bad. There’s been a lot of talk about finding ways to give Rs “permission” to vote for Harris. Walz just helped Vance give independents permission to vote for an authoritative government in America.
Don’t know why Walz didn’t do better. Plenty of time in Congress and as governor. And years in the classroom speaking. But hard to explain how Biden has done such an amazing outstanding job but needs to be suddenly replaced.
I find it amusing that the MAGA movement does not appreciate elite university skills when it comes to medicine, science or economics, but it does when it comes to slick talking lawyering. As Van Jones noted on CNN, “I went to Yale Law School, and this is exactly what they prepare you for.” But while Walz, cautious to a fault, missed numerous opportunities, the moments that will last will be Vance’s assertions: that Trump’s behavior following the 2020 election was perfectly fine, that abortion bans in states will go on for the foreseeable future and that Trump saved (!?) the ACA. Especially given the fact that, as Jon Stewart noted the other night, “the only people undecided at this point are people who got kicked in the head by a horse”, I think this won’t be too impactful.
Meanwhile, to the (mostly fine) moderators: no questions about Ukraine???
Sorry guys, I thought Waltz was just fine. Vans appeared to be a slick insincere guy pretending to be a decent person . Waltz, not telegenic -but after the debate transcripts, he was fine . Being nice shouldn’t be a negative. In these times defined by performance in the political big tent circus, lying and bullying seems to attract . The pettiness of the media in going after Waltz for not being in China the week he said was - so trivial . At the same time normalizing Vance , Mr blame everything on immigrants, as ‘the winner’ sorry - strongly disagree Joe.
So JD Vance, who has been in the Senate for a cup of coffee, is considered the “professional politician” over a guy who did years in Congress and is the two term Govenor? To quote Kissinger, “under what theory”? As a conservative, Vance is not my cup of tea but that was as solid a debate performance as I can remember. Yes, Vance won by simply and constantly reciting the poor Biden record as well as that Harris is still in office and is the embodiment of this hapless administration.
Ps CBS was as biased and arrogant as one could expect, particularly the wayward, smug and erroneous M Brennan “fact check.” But a leopard can’t lose its spots so I blame Trump for agreeing to this crazy inside the beltway debate system.
Coach Walz is, since 2019, Governor of a large Midwestern state and formerly sat in Congress for 12 years, which is a much longer career as a politician than his opponent, who just entered the Senate less than three years ago. And yet you characterize him as an "aw shucks" amateur who got bested.
Coach Walz just sucks.
Further evidence, if any was needed, that The Democrats have anointed another dreadful candidate. First they tried to pretend President Biden was competent. Then they force fed a lightweight onto Te American electorate. Her (was it really her) choice of VP is further evidence VP Harris doesn’t have the leadership skills or competence to be the current leader of the free world.
If they really believe Trump is the ‘anti-Christ’ or an ‘existential threat to democracy’, how could they do this? (Disclaimer: I wouldn’t vote for Trump under any circumstance. I also have more faith than most that The Republic is bigger and capable of handling a second President Trump term.
They are playing a dangerous and irresponsible game. Just look at the recent results first in Germany and now in Austria.
It tells us all we need to know about how arrogant and out of touch the metropolitan political elite are.
Tampon Tim demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an idiot. He demonstrated a real world example of the Peter principal of an actor without substance who schmoozes his way up the ladder until they plateau at their level of incompetence and then stay there. Walz is a terrible governor; he did nothing to stop the devastating 2020 riots that resulted in 35 deaths, thousands of injured and an estimated $2billion in property damage all over the death of a felon who had once put a gun to the abdomen of a pregnant woman, was in the process of committing a crime and died from a self-induced fentanyl overdose, not from Police brutality. Walz let the Black Lives Matter Marxists and the paid ANTIFA riot the streets and destroy the private property of hard working citizens. I read recently that a building Minneapolis that sold before the 2020 riots for $60million sold for only $7 million in 2024 because of the unfettered lawlessness allowed by Walz. Given Walz’s disastrous debate performance who could possibly consider this low testosterone Marxist wimp to be Presidential material.
On the other hand J.D. Vance demonstrated that he is by far the most competent champion of the America first movement and the best candidate for President Trump to pass the torch in 2028. Joe, like all of the leftist pendants, throws insults at Vance but doesn’t provide any facts to backup their accusations. It is entertaining that fact free pundits like Joe desperately try to demonize Trump and Vance and the only ammunition they have is trying to label as being “mean” their statements that citizens of Springfield report that the illegal immigrant Hattians are eating resident’s pets and the ducks and geese in public parks. Oh, grow up. Meanwhile, Joe along with the rest of the Pravda media ignore the widespread increases in violent crime, rape, drug trafficking and property damage caused by uncontrolled illegal immigration.
It was entertaining that during the debate when Vance mansplained to the dumb, lying CBS bimbo moderators that the Harris/Biden administration illegally misused the CBP1 asylum/pardon law to illegally flood the country with uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking, immigrants from third world countries who will not assimilate into American culture but will become wards of the democrats’ big nanny government and block vote democrat. It was entertaining to watch the dumb lying bimbos on MSNBC complain that Vance was mansplaining against the lies of the CBS moderators. Joe continues to demonstrate his ignorance because the tax dollars to fund the Springfield schools that are burdened with adding non-English speaking curriculum at the expense of reducing advanced scholar curriculum for the children of Springfield citizens come from property taxes which are an additional burden on existing citizens and are not subsidized by illegal immigrants. Waiting times in Springfield Hospital Emergency Rooms have become painfully long because the illegal immigrants go there for all of their health care needs which is all at the expense of the Springfield natives. Joe continues to demonstrate that he is just a loser who regurgitates the vomit of the consortium of the DC swamp, the lying media and the grifting democrat politicians.
Joe is also ignorant about economics. The US has implemented tariffs since our founding to protect American industry and improve the wages of American workers. Even the failed Biden/Harris administration had kept in place the tariffs that President Trump implemented. Joe, I’m sorry that economics is beyond your mental capacity to understand.
And of course the corrupt media moderators would bring up the “big lie” that there WASN’T widespread election fraud in 2020 and that basement Biden isn’t an illegitimate President. Vance had the perfect response that election irregularities were protested peacefully and patriotically on January 6 and the corrupt government set up a false flag operation to entrap goofballs and grandmas who were let into and wandered around the Capital taking selfies and that the deep state has weaponized the corrupt DOJ/FBI to persecute political opponents. They have destroyed the lives of patriotic Americans in order to defend their grift and corruption and extortion of US taxpayers and to dissuade voters from electing an outsider to office. They are the scum of the earth and no lower scum has crossed the American political landscape. They, not Trump/Vance and the MAGA movement, are the treat to democracy. The good news is American first patriots are going to shove Trump/Vance down their ignorant, lying, pompous throats to the point that we see the huge bulge in their throat signifying that they are gagging. Say ahh!
Get ready for MAGA 2.0!
Why oh why didn’t Harris pick Shapiro?
Joe, you confuse prrformance with proficiency. I thought Walz was masterful, if not s little shaky. Vance was locked and loaded for a knife fight, Walz kept the tenor of the debate at such a congenial level that he proved he is the bigger and better person. Vance refused to actually answer any questions, was chided by the moderators about that, Walz answered them all, and refused to rise to Vance's bait. Walz demonstrated a love of country and its people, Vance is the con-carpetbagger. Thanks, coach.
Uff da. Walz just made us 5.7 million Minnesotans look like characters in “Fargo”. Great column and spot on, you-betcha.
Sorry Joe you’ve missed this one. I thought both showed they were “competent”. The question is competent to do what. Vance is competent to implement an anti-democratic (small d)agenda and competently run it. Waltz is competent to continue a democratic (small d) agenda and competently run it. In other words be a competent President of a democracy. I think that’s the correct analysis of the debate.
Vance was indeed slick and smarmy. And anybody who reads the papers could tell when he was lying or dodging, which was often. Vance's refusal to say whether Trump lost the election was rather obvious.
Can't confirm Joe, and I'm a registered Republican. Yes, Walz got stronger in the back half of the debate, when some viewers had likely tuned out, but I thought he did a better job of stating Democratic arguments than Harris has, in her debate or other contexts. Also yes, Vance did a more presentable job of presenting his side's arguments than Trump has ever succeeded, or even tried, to do. Talk about low bars! Vance succeeded in not looking or sounding like Mephistopheles and Walz succeeded in not looking or sounding like he's actually to the left of Harris, which he may well be. You wanted a knockout. A draw or a close fight on points was not a result you were going to be able to accept.
I completely agree with Joe. The debate was a disaster - not as bad as Biden’s but bad enough to make Trump a favorite now. I never thought Walz would do well but I also never thought it would be,this bad. There’s been a lot of talk about finding ways to give Rs “permission” to vote for Harris. Walz just helped Vance give independents permission to vote for an authoritative government in America.
Don’t know why Walz didn’t do better. Plenty of time in Congress and as governor. And years in the classroom speaking. But hard to explain how Biden has done such an amazing outstanding job but needs to be suddenly replaced.
Thanks for the straight shooting. Walz was bad enough and Vance was good enough that the VP debate might matter.
I find it amusing that the MAGA movement does not appreciate elite university skills when it comes to medicine, science or economics, but it does when it comes to slick talking lawyering. As Van Jones noted on CNN, “I went to Yale Law School, and this is exactly what they prepare you for.” But while Walz, cautious to a fault, missed numerous opportunities, the moments that will last will be Vance’s assertions: that Trump’s behavior following the 2020 election was perfectly fine, that abortion bans in states will go on for the foreseeable future and that Trump saved (!?) the ACA. Especially given the fact that, as Jon Stewart noted the other night, “the only people undecided at this point are people who got kicked in the head by a horse”, I think this won’t be too impactful.
Meanwhile, to the (mostly fine) moderators: no questions about Ukraine???
Alas, you speak truth. It’s not the whole story, but it’s important.
Sorry guys, I thought Waltz was just fine. Vans appeared to be a slick insincere guy pretending to be a decent person . Waltz, not telegenic -but after the debate transcripts, he was fine . Being nice shouldn’t be a negative. In these times defined by performance in the political big tent circus, lying and bullying seems to attract . The pettiness of the media in going after Waltz for not being in China the week he said was - so trivial . At the same time normalizing Vance , Mr blame everything on immigrants, as ‘the winner’ sorry - strongly disagree Joe.