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First-time reader with Thoughts.

The author is "mortally appalled" by today's Republicans but apparently expects Democrats to use their sleazy tactics to fight back. Sure, let's all of us jump into the mud puddle while the world burns around us.

"The Democrats’ investigations and court cases tend to be overly litigious" - would those be the 60-plus lawsuits to overthrow the 2020 election? Or perhaps the dozens of lawsuits filed by Marc Elias, et al, to ensure voting is free and fair for all who qualify? The 4 indictments (so far) and 91+ felony charges (so far) against the former guy aren't "Democrats' investigations" - they're the Justice system's investigations in 4 different jurisdictions.

Democrats are over here trying to govern; Republicans are over there trying to get their faces on Faux 'news' and other right-wing media. I don't vote for circus clowns, I vote for legislators, and I doubt I'm the only one.

The author has issues with "identity politics" and "woke obsessions" - if marginalized communities weren't under constant attack by the Right, perhaps the Left could spend less time defending them by name and more time reminding voters that we really are the Big Tent party where all* are welcome, using direct examples of policies and laws enacted to serve the majority of Americans rather than the top .1% of wealth-owners.

Messaging is hard. You can't put a rational economic policy on a bumper sticker. You can't put a highly-nuanced and extremely complex immigration system into an "easy fix" talking point (Narrator: There is no "easy fix" to immigration)

Dems aren't denying there are big problems out there, but we're not getting the message across that crime is down in big Blue cities while it rages in Red states. That an attack on women's rights opens the doors to attacks on ALL rights. That today it's the drag queens but tomorrow it could be the Loyal Order of Moose for all we know. Today it's gay marriage, tomorrow it's interracial marriage, and next week it's back to separate water fountains. You can scoff, but we've already seen what's happening in the aftermath of Roe's reversal, and we've heard what the Hard Right has been saying about all the rest. (Ok, maybe not the Moose - I'm sure they're very nice folks.)

The world is messy. Life is messy. I'd rather be on the side of the people trying to deal with and straighten out the messes than those who concentrate on making more of them. But maybe that's just me.

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First, Ruth, welcome to the party.

It does seem contradictory to ride the. Democratic Party harder than the idiot Republicans - but the fact is, we have to be better. The right only has to appeal to the basest of instincts, filled with the easily accessible emotions of greed and resentment. Dems have to appeal to some elusive notions of justice and altruism. We have the greater, but also the more rewarding challenge. And we will win, because we have to.

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That's why I don't want to get into that same ugly mud puddle, Curtis. Call me foolish, call me naive, but I still believe that most people are basically decent folks who really do care about most of the same things you and I care about. A whole lot of MAGAs are angry and scared - they're angry *because* they're scared, I'm totally convinced of that. They're afraid of change. A lot of people are nervous about change, about leaving their comfort zones - I get that. But nothing good comes out of entropy - change is vital for life to improve for ALL of us. It's like trying to convince somebody to try a new food, y'know? "I won't like it!" - "You've never had it so how would you know?" "I just know!" Well guess what? That new food just might turn out to be your new favorite. And that new person you take a few minutes to get to know just might turn out to be your new best friend even though they're of another race or religion or sexual orientation.

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I'm not giving fascists a pass when they burn books about me and mine. Sorry. I don't care if they're angry or scared. I care about their behavior not their feelings, and eventually they'll realize the ideas in those books come from people, and then they'll start burning them too. Count on it.

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Sep 19, 2023·edited Sep 19, 2023

When I read this...

"So I tend to write about Biden’s age more than Trump’s sociopathy, and about the Dems’ identity and woke obsessions more than the Republicans’ fundamental corruption. “

It made me cringe in disgust. Playing the useful idiot by parroting demagogic (and, no surprise, false) idea that the "Dems’ identity and woke obsessions “ is bad enough.

NO, it’s the REPUBLICANS that have "identity and woke obsessions”. The obsession with demonizing “big cities” and college educated. Crapping, literally on anyone that does not toe the radical MAGA Cult.

Their “woke obsession” is even worse. Anything that they do no deem sufficiently MAGA worthy, is labeled as “woke”....along with the usual tropes of “communist”, “socialist” and “Marxist”.

No, Mr. Klein. YOUR obsession with writing (again, playing their MAGA useful idiot) on "Biden’s age more than Trump’s sociopathy” IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!

STOP whining about President Biden’s age and write more about his undeniable successful presidency, with more substantive achievements than is generally known (because people like you write about Biden’s age more than Trump’s sociopathy).

Write about the fact that President Biden has surround himself with extremely competent and scandal free patriots unlike the scumbag who has already vowed to install his unqualified (except to have total fealty to Dear Leader), totally unfit (just like their Mob Boss) and unpatriotic (TRUMP comes before EVERYTHING and is more their oath of loyalty is to TRUMP and NOT the Constitution) in every corner of the federal government with his dreadful power grab of “Schedule F” which should send a shudder up every freedom loving American.

Every prominent voice, like yours, should be SHOUTING every moment about Trump’s sociopathy and the Republicans’ fundamental corruption....and his plans if he is able to steal the 2024 election

I’m not “annoyed” with Joe Biden., I am grateful and thankful that he brought us back from the edge of destruction, starting to repair our democratic institutions after the raving lunatic Trump.

THAT is what almost every column should be about until Trump is defeated at the ballot box once again. This column is too little, but it’s not too late.

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Exactly. Being sanctimonious about just *having* to come down harder on the Dems for less bad behavior is the stupidest argument I’ve heard in a long time. And one post where you ream the Reps doesn’t make up for it. The question isn’t “who should I be more critical of to save democracy?” It’s “what facts should I promote to help the value of democracy be some clear to a cynical and weary public?”

It’s not just Klein. The entire mainstream media takes this point of view and it is going to doom us all.

Klein bemoans the cowardice of a Rob Portman or Lamar Alexander, but he’s no profile in courage.

Make the affirmative case for democracy and the Democrat’s vastly superior fitness for preserving it!!!

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Republican moral scolds think about gay sex more than I do when I'm actually having it.

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I love you Joe but I didn’t hear a promise to go after the Rs for their insane budget demands, and the mainstream R support for dismantling our democracy. Read Heather Cox if you need inspiration.

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Give it a rest. You get to vote for the annoying old man who is passing legislation that improves lives or you can vote for the piece of shit GQPs who are doing nothing but protecting that orange bag of shit and stirring up hatred of our fellow citizens. Which side do you want to be on?

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You call fellow citizens “bags of shit” three times in one paragraph that accuses your opponents of the crime you are committing. Self awareness is not a strong point among Democratic sheep.

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Your cult leader is a bag of shit. So are the rest of your political leaders.

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Your obsession with the former president borders on the homoerotic. You should bring this up with one of your therapists.

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Seems like you want to memory hole him. Don't want to talk about him. Are embarrassed about him already. By 2028 if you're still on this side of the dirt, I'm betting you'll not admit to having voted for him. Twice.

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If the shit fits, stop stepping in it

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See the problem here is that they ARE bags of shit.

They are shitty people, doing shitty things.

Okay, I guess they're only actually in bags some of the time, but the bags aren't the critical point here.

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So you are going to be publicly criticizing the people you want to win elections, and giving a pass to those you DON'T want in power?

How can you not see how ridiculous that is? You are HURTING the Democrats, and letting the MAGA crowd work in a pressure-free environment. People see that you are criticizing Dems, not that you are leaving MAGA alone, and so will sour on the Democrats.

For goodness sake, get a clue. This column is an admission, not an explanation.

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To borrow from Stephen Robinson over at Wonkette: it takes a lot of white male privilege to merely be “appalled” by Republicans. The rest of us are freaking terrified.

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"for those of you who think I criticize Democrats too much. I will continue to do so" God damn you. You and people like you are why the Republicans own this country.

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Couldn’t disagree more with your logic that criticism of the Republicans’ behavior is a waste of time. Ever think you are more like Alexander and Portman than you realize. Your targeting of Dems because they might listen may be hastening the fall of the democracy they are attempting to preserve. Do your part and stop rationalizing taking the easy way out.

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Here’s the thing, if you are sincere about what you say. Riding the imperfect but normal Dems harder than the scuzzy and totally abnormal Reps just helps the Reps win because it perpetuates the cynical narrative that the two sides are both equally flawed. And if you can’t really see that I wonder how genuine your concern for the future of democracy really is. What the hell are you doing to save it?

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Thanks for your comment. But here's the thing: If the Dems don't clean up their act--on the various issues I raised above, and have a good hard think about Biden's viability--there's a good chance they will lose. Their problems are correctable; if it's Trump--and it may not be--the Republicans are unthinkable.

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But some of the problems you note — like Biden’s viability — are more artifacts of the media angst that people *might* care about them than people actually caring. At least, it starts out that way until it self-fulfills.

Biden is perfectly capable. He stutters and his back is stiff but he makes good decisions, surrounds himself with strong people, and I have total confidence in him. As total as I would have in anyone. I think he’s done a great job.

I think it’s possible to tell that story. Find people who defend him and his record. But it’s more interesting, it seems, to find people who think he’s too old or out of it or whatever they have picked up from the rw media. Coverage of that amplifies the problems, it shows up on the polls, and gets covered some more.

The very real political disaster in the party that would result from Biden vacating the field right now would do more to damage the possibility of saving democracy than anything else.

You won’t fix the Dems by dwelling on their imperfections. You won’t ever make them perfect. So dwell on the possibilities and the grounds for optimism instead of convincing voters that the sky is really falling. Because then it surely will fall.

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I've made those same points about Biden here--constantly. I will continue to do so. But you and I can't wish away the fact that vast majorities of Americans think he's too old...and we can't wish away the fact that they may be right. He's been a very good President; he should pocket that and retire. I believe there are a number of Dems, governors especially, who could quickly establish their credibility as candidates. Thanks again for the thoughtful and civil tone of your comments.

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Oh good. Hypothetical campaigns that might resonate the with people vs. The actual incumbent president that black voters liked. I urge you to really look at what is at stake here. The rhetoric coming from GOP leadership is anti-democratic, anti-American, and terrifying. Please stop this disingenuous hand-wringing and your "concerns" over Biden. The Founders also had concerns about presidents being too old; they created the office of Vice President.

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He is THREE. YEARS. OLDER. than Tr*mp.

He also exercises, eats well, and generally isn't a McDonalds eating, golf cart riding, sedentary gastropod.

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But Joe, you know our politics as well as anyone. What happens if Biden steps aside? There are many ambitious and a capable Dems waiting their turn. The party spends the next year reading itself to shreds, throws away the incumbency advantage, and Trump walks into the White House. Do you see everyone standing down and letting Harris win? She’ll be the target of everyone. If she doesn’t win, and especially if a white male does (because Gavin Newsom would go for this hard), how do women and African Americans go when they have just seen their candidate(s) savaged by our misogynistic culture once again. 2016 is still raw. I agree that there is no where else for them to go, but they might stay home in enough pissed off numbers to make a difference. I think one reason Biden decided to run again is that he knows that this is no time to let the Democrats be Democrats.

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If people like you, people with the microphones, actually pointed out what ridiculous, over the top monsters the modern GQP have become the odds of them winning would lower tremendously. YOU are at fault here with nonsense articles like this one. Be better, or be quiet.

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Perhaps you should indeed pause ordinary critiques of ordinary (and inevitable) political foibles in the one still-normal political party we have left and focus a lot more on fighting the threat of nascent despotism in the party that has been taken over by the very worst of the darker angels of our nature.

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I guess if you won't really be effected by TFG's return to power, the 2024 election cycle probably does look like a big game with no real stakes. Being able to dismiss the concerns of entire demographics under the idiot right-wing boogeyman of "wokeness" is exactly what privilege is.

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Maybe you should read the polls and what they say about the swings in voter preferences among black males Latino males “working class” people, pretty much everyone who isn’t white and rich. It’s a big world you should maybe go out more.

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Perhaps he could go to a diner in a blue county

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You have been a worthless piece of ignorant shit for 390 years, you over-educated, under-intelligent, otherwise-unemployable proof that someone can be paid well to do something completely useless. You and the rest of the braindeads of the DC Press Corpse are proof the Ivy League "isn't sending us their best."

This Democrat - who was involved in politics when you were in plastic pants and still learning to say "mommy" - who is also a veteran and was a Democrat and a progressive when I was in the military (unlike you, you service-avoiding slimeball) - hopes you fucking die of something socially unacceptable, alone in the cold and the dark. It'll be the only good thing you've ever accomplished in your otherwise-useless life. You and the rest of the DC Dumbasses, you hackworthy typist.

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“Now we see the violence inherent in the system!” 🙂

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Yo, Joe, did Senator Tammy Duckworth really lose both legs in service to an organization she doesn’t believe in? What utter bullshit.

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This whole column is appalling. You have only shared the tip of the iceberg with respect to the fascist-leaning, venal, corrupt gang formerly believed to be a political party known as the republicans, and their political puppet masters and financial backers among the most wealthy citizens who have ever lived in this country or the world--not to mention the corrupting foreign influences from Russia and elsewhere. What the hell is wrong with you and your so called "mainstream" media? One could easily conclude that you and your ilk are bought and paid for, too. Clearly clicks are more important to your bottom line than the truth.

If the democrats are fighting a conflagration with a fire hose, who do you think has been throwing fuel on that inferno? It's not just the republicans--it's the MSM. We all have eyes and ears. We saw Trump with Putin at Helsinki. We experienced Jan 6th. We saw the Dobbs decision come down after three of those "justices" under oath in their confirmation hearings said they believed in stare decisis. We see the ever increasing attempts to gerrymander votes of anyone who disagrees with the republicans in power right out of existence. We know that the republicans will accept anything, even the gunning down of children, to stay in power at the local, state, and national levels. Naturally, the media's response is a drumbeat of "Biden is too old," and there is no real vice president because you fear a POC woman would emasculate the country? Your column is the equivalent of hitting the republican puppy on the head with a rolled up newspaper--compared to the terror the rest of us "not real Americans" feel every time someone with your job fails to do it, thereby throwing more fuel on the burning down of our country, spreading that fire to the world.

So I have to ask you Mr. Klein: have you no decency sir? At long last, have you no decency? Or is it just moral cowardice and liking the attention?

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"They believe in our institutions [... ] even those—like the military—that they really don’t believe in."

Ok, then.

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He's really beating that strawman over the head, isn't he?

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